This is John Batcher, conversation with Joseph Umar, my colleague Executive Director of

Sighlfrey Society and the New World Report, about a new threat from Venezuela, not just

that Maduro intends to block Machado from running in this year's theoretical election.

Machadoo very popular, Madura illegitimate.

Not just that Venezuela's collapse to the point that over 7 million

Venezuelans have fled, some to the many to the United States and other parts of the

Americas looking for food, shelter, medicine, alive given the brutality of Venezuela

machine.

But also a new gang organized out of a prison, Aragwa, a train from Aragwa.

I learned this from Joseph for the first time.

It's a gang that doesn't do narco-terrorism,

it does human smuggling, human trafficking.

The train from Aragwa, that's a province in Venezuela.

There's a train that goes by the prison, hence the name.

That human smuggling now extends into all the major cities

that Joseph named in the US,

including Miami, but Chicago and New York.

And the gang is in those cities and the traffic is in those cities.

Questions asked, very hard questions about the origin of the gang and what's sustaining it.

The train from Aragua, hear more of this in future.

Here's Joseph to explain.

Well, very quickly, John, and we can talk about this in another segment, but

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