So then, about this point, his expedition with Stores to Jeddah for the first time, this

sort of where Seven Pillars of Wisdom kicks in and the movie launch for Ray.

Yes, of course.

Sort of around this point where the story, the main story, really starts.

So in Seven Pillars' Wisdom, he spent the first bit of the book, is setting up a lot of the things we've set up, just talking about the Ottoman Empire a bit and talking about the Arabs a bit.

One last thing I want to mention before we just go into the story is this relationship between Arabs, true Arabian Arabs and the sort of wider Arab world, if you like.

So there's sort of the true Arabian, sometimes Bedouin, not always Bedouin, but the true Arabian

sure.

And then there's like Arabic people of Mesopotamia and what became Trans Jordan and modern day Lebanon

and Syria and stuff.

So they see themselves sort of, it's a bit different.

So the way you might say Scandinavian and Germanic and British people are all essentially the same ethnicity, let's say,

and might share the same religion, but they're actually separate, they're actually fairly

separate sort of identities, got different histories and all sorts of things going on.

So there's that to mention, I think, is worth mentioning.

Yes.

This is one of the things that Lawrence talks about, isn't it? Because if the, if the end goal is an independent Arab people, well, because of the Ottoman Empire, such a thing as like,

you know, a group of independent Arabs has not existed for centuries.

And so what is actually, what can be the foundational myth, you know, that they can all tie

themselves around, that they can feel they've got some loyalty to one another.

And Lawrence comes to the opinion, I think this is one of the things

he talks about when he's in the Arab Bureau. It says if it is to be successful and stable,

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