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This is John Bachelor. I spoke to my colleague Brad Bowman of the Foundation for the Defence of Democracies,

commenting on drones, more and more drones reported from the Ukrainian battlefield and other battlefields,

such as Nagorno-Karabakh, more demands for drones from nations you wouldn't expect.

Bolivia, for example, reports of drones multiplying around the world,

the sovereign states all want drones.

Brad comments on how this has changed warfare, the battle zone itself,

and what we can look forward to this winter as Ukraine cuts back its offensive operation

because of weather, but increases its drone operations not only in Crimea and in the Donbass,

but also in Russia. Here's Brad.

John, I think we're witnessing the first major drone war with drones being used on both sides in human history.

And I think the character of war is forever changed.

This is one of those innovations, the technological innovations is going to change not the nature,

but the character of war and we're seeing it playing out in the headlines in front of us.

I think we're going to see more drones throughout this war and in future wars regardless of the weather.

I think there might be a slackening in ground operation certainly as wild vehicles get bogged down the mud

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