This is John Bachelor, conversation with Mary Anastasia Grady, the America's columnist at the

Wall Street Journal editorial page.

The conversation mostly turns on Venezuela and its bad acting in the region, especially bullying, intimidating and threatening

neighboring Guyana.

However, at the close, Mary and I turn to a topic that's come back again, the so-called Havana Syndrome. This is a mystery

beginning in the Havana embassy in 2015-2016 of something making the embassy workers ill or disoriented in some fashion.

It has a history that's bouncing around, denied, endorsed, mentioned again. And recently it's come

back in the news. I saw the Reuters report. Mary fills in the details here of

where she first heard of the credible report a year

past this is a column she wrote in March of 2023 subsequent to that there was dismissal by US authorities and then suddenly

revelations an investigation group out of Latvia an investigation group out of

out of Germany and American television 60 minutes.

Here's what we know so far, pointing to the future.

It's not concluded yet.

It's mysterious. There's a Russian secret unit mentioned. There's an energy weapon.

There are people who are sick. There are denials. There are enforcements. There's investigation.

Mary Anastasio Grady, pointing to another unit that helped understand this story in Florida.

Mary, we have about a minute, and I want to point out to everyone listening that you wrote a column in March of

2023 entitled Havana Syndrome Revisited. Recently there's been

reporting and I'm looking at Reuters that updates this so it's Havana Syndrome revisited

and the mention in the investigation by a lot feeling group by 60 minutes

by derspeagle in Germany mentions a Russian military intelligence unit

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