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This is John Bachelor speaking with the author Stephen Moss.

His new book, Ten Birds That Change the World, The Dodo Bird.

Immediately you think, The Dodo Bird.

Extinction. Mauritius Islands off the coast of Africa.

Stephen met a Dodo when he was six, seven years old in London or did he?

Stephen Moss telling the story of the Doro Bird and the concept of extinction. It has a peculiar

twist to it. Once upon a time, Extinction, the Dodo Burn, Stephen Moss.

The concept of extinction doesn't really exist at this point because at that

society in the West is extremely religious,

extremely Christian,

and the idea that the Creator might create species

and then allow them to go extinct was simply incomprehensible to people and it

actually took another 50 to 100 years for during the Enlightenment for people to

argue that some creatures had indeed gone extinct.

So it's great irony that the dodo, no one who knew the dodo alive would ever have understood

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