This is John Bachelor.

Out of under the weather with COVID for the first time, reminds me to go look at Gregory

Zuckerman's shot to save the world, the inside story of the life or death, raised for a COVID-19

vaccine. I've had six vaccine boosters, most of the Moderna. I believe one was a Pfizer all made with MRNA the magic

formula that was not cracked until the operation to solve the virus in 20 and 2021.

So I became very curious about the hit or miss of those days in my memory is there were lots of failures that led them nowhere

until they were charged with making the vaccine that I've got and that I believe

mitigated a deal of the first time COVID that I've now

well you can hear it in my voice so Gregory Zuckerman on the on the failure of

Madurna for years because they wanted to make a drug not a vaccine.

Here's Gregory to explain.

More of this later.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And what's interesting about my book is it's really, I look at it as sort of a serious, it's a relay race in some ways where someone runs a lap, is strong, some team, some scientists, and then they stumble and fall and they barely pass the baton to the next team

and that's kind of what happened.

Creak and Weizman looked like they were going to be the ones and they failed.

I could raise money, they couldn't convince anyone,

they never developed any kind of drug.

It's not even clear what they did.

What would have it was in an approach that in concept was a great one, but it was a lot more

worth than needed to be done and that's what happened at Moderna. And it was the kind of thing.

Well, Moderna and Ben Sell spent years making improvements.

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