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This is John Batchelor, continuing my conversation with Professor Gary Bass, whose no book,

Judgment at Tokyo, tells the story of the war crimes trials 46 to 48, of Japanese officials, members of the Cabinet, Army, and Navy in Tokyo and

Tokyo and Tokyo, the Prime Minister through most of the war, was seen as the villain.

Tojo, however, was a much more complex man.

And this is the professor telling the story of Tojo on his way to the gallows and calling out in praise of the Emperor and why that was extremely

uncomfortable disconcerting rattling of the American officials standing by as Tojo doomed, yelled

Bonsai, Bonsai, echoing throughout the facility where he was being hanged.

Here's the professor to explain.

They don't want to talk about it at the time.

It is, so Bonzaizai which is a battle cry. It's short for long

live his majesty the emperor. And the army men are leading chance of it as they are about as they're being led to the gallows soon after midnight in this macabre scene.

And there are there are official onlookers for the execution from the major powers and they hear these chants of bonsai and that's something where it is you know it is it's in the press people know that

tojo was chanting it's in the press. People know that Tojo was chanting it. It's in the newspapers

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