Hello and welcome to part two of the liberalism debate and I'm very pleased to see that it was quite well received in the comments

So thank you for being so nice and praising our debates and I think we're going to more or less pick up where we left off.

There are a few points that I wanted to sort of expand on that you made that I wanted to

clarifying I suppose and I think there's still a lot to impact.

We could probably turn this into multiple

debates but I'm not going to do that perhaps we can revisit it.

Well yeah I suppose so but it's gonna really ruin my schedule for

contemplations if I'm constantly debating liberalism, but we can return to it.

I'm all for it. But I suppose we may as well go around and just kind of recap what we think just so everyone's on board because it's been a week since we did the last one

and I imagine people need reminding of our general. So who would like to go first?

Okay, I'll go first.

I think liberalism is incomplete and without being anchored

to some other kind of moral framework it tends to curve back on itself like a snake eating

its own tail and destroy everything around it because that's all it knows. I think liberalism largely pretends to be a

negative and neutral doctrine but I think it's a comprehensive, positive doctrine for its commitments to the often

antagonistic goals of autonomy and equality, and so it is vulnerable to charges from Marxist types that would like to expand those

definitions and bring those two concepts to its apotheosis so it can metastasize

into both a social acid on traditions and a gateway to totalitarianism which is what we're seeing now.

And my summary is going to be pretty simple, I'm not a liberal, but I think liberalism gets a little bit of a hard time and I think that a lot of the time a lot of the accusations towards liberalism might be due to other things and although you know it's not my ideal system I think it's one of the

better ones and I'm going to have a very dispassionate defense of it this time.

And what about you, Stelios?

Thank you.

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