This is John Batchel, conversation with my colleague, Jonathan Shanzer, the executive director of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, about the siege tactics that the IDF is employing against Hamas or what's left of Hamas in Gaza.

The siege tactics include interruption or at least threat to communication system.

I asked Jonathan how Hamas communicates to its so-called negotiators in Doha,

who are refusing all offers, of course, and seek an unrealistic end to a war in which Hamas has

been devastated and cannot reconstitute.

Jonathan answers in detail, but still siege tactics mean even communication doesn't get through.

Hamas has beaten.

What comes next is a reconstitution of Gaza.

What does it look like?

There's the challenge.

What's left of Hamas at the end of a long string between two cans, a group in Doha and somewhere in the bowels of the destroyed Gaza is a man

named Sinwar who claims to be the boss of the military.

Jonathan Shanzer, more of this tonight.

It's an interesting question, and I don't know how much communication is even possible at this point, because the Hamas operatives on the ground are forced to shroud their communication.

They are turning off cell phones for fear of being tracked by the Israelis.

They have encrypted comms.

They have the ability to engage with others outside of the Gaza Strip.

And I'm assuming that's how the messages are going back and forth between Muhammad Sinwar

and Khalil Al-Haya, Mohammed Sinwar being the head of the

military operations in Gaza, Khalil O'Haya being the political figure operating outside of Gaza.

But this is complicated to put it mildly, and I don't know where you get even a modicum of agreement

between the Hamas leadership, whoever is still left.

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