This is John Batchelor, conversation with Cliff May, the founder and president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, about Iran.

Lessons learned negotiating Iran.

You can't bribe them, you can't seduce them at that lesson.

What Cliff then looks to is why the American public misunderstands Iran,

why what we want is not what they want. Here's Cliff May to explain Iran and its suspect nuclear

weapons program and what is to be done.

Much more of this tonight.

Various Shia militias in Iraq and Syria.

All these are proxies, tentacles of the octopus in Tehran.

I certainly hope that was clearly learned.

What's hard for a lot of people, a lot of Americans, we think that people are just like us.

We say, you know what, we're going to help you, going to bring you back into the international system,

will enrich you as Biden did, tens and maybe hundreds of billions of dollars in Iran's coffers at the time when Trump left his first administration, I think think was four billion of foreign exchange reserves is all they had.

They had no money left as a result, two years of serious pressure.

We think that people want, you know, the best for their people.

They want a great health care system, 401ks and all that.

It's not true.