This is John Batcher, conversation with my good colleague Patrick K. O'Donnell, the best-selling

Patrick K O'Donnell, with his new book, The Unvanquish, this is hour two of a two-hour conversation.

The Unvanquish, The story of Lincoln's special forces, the man

hunt for Mosby's Rangers, and the Shadow War that forged America's special operations.

In this particular part, comment by Patrick,

it involves John Singleton Mosby,

the most effective of all the irregular forces operating in the Civil War, certainly in the Virginia area.

And questions that are unanswered, all these many decades later about the scale and intention of the plot against the leadership of the Union.

We know enough to know that there was a kidnapping proposed and that turned

into an assassination or did it. Unknown. Many players never came forth and Patrick has a very detailed analysis.

Here he hints at it in our conversation.

What is known and not known about John Singleton Mosby, the plot against the leadership, including

the President, the Secretary of State, Mr then even after the end at Fort Cedar.

Patrick O'Donnell, more of this time. Ford's Cedar.

Patrick O'Donnell, more of this tonight.

Mosby divides his command and hundreds of men are then sent towards into Virginia, into into the area the exact area that the

kidnappers would then that would go across the Potomac from Maryland into Virginia and this is a security force and it's a very

if there's no other real explanation for for Mosby sending all these men down over 80 miles away from Mosby's

Confederacy where they have no to an area where they have no connection at all.