This is John Batchelor. More conversation with Lisa Mundi, her book The Sisterhood, The Secret History of

Women at the CIA. Liza tells a wonderful anecdote about the women featured in her book working decades for the CIA with

great results, never given dutiful credit at the time and now, meeting to talk about the memoirs published by the men who were

their bosses who didn't account for their success and are now taking credit for

their success.

It's a wonderful anecdote.

Well, the women got together at a writer's retreat because they were thinking about writing

their memoir of 9-11 and their experience, which many people have done, George Tenet, only one among them, to, you know, really sort of to have their say is what a lot of these post-9-11 memoirs seek to accomplish.

And the women thought about doing it but the emotions were still so raw for them and they're

complicated a set of feelings around 9-11 and trying to warn and then being blamed and so they ended up drinking a lot of wine

and reading aloud from these books by the men that they had worked for and reading aloud and sort of very sissoronian or

oratory and and just just in some cases just sort of shouting with frustration.

But, you know, getting, I think it's fair to say getting somewhat drunk and reading aloud

and just having that kind of cathartic moment.

Thank you.