This is John Patchler, conversation with Amity Schlaes, the chairman of the Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation,

also the offer of a biography I highly recommend about Calvin Coolidge growing up and becoming the president of the United States after Warren G. Harding died suddenly,

sworn in in his very humble father's farm in Vermont.

Here, Amity tells the story of Grace and Cal Coolidge meeting for the first time in How.

And talks about the love letters, too, that are available.

Amity Schles, the queued meeting of and Cal Coolidge, once upon a time,

a president with a heart. They all have hearts. More of this later. Right. She espied him through a

window, and he had a hat on and some other props, as you mentioned.

And she thought he looked so funny.

But I think also there was an element of flirt in it, don't you?

She laughed and he heard her.

And they went out.

And he courted her.

And if you want to read some wonderful love letters,

the letters of Calvin to Grace, it was Grace Anna Goodhue of Burlington, Vermont,

are in the Vermont Historical Society in Barry, Vermont, which is not that far from

Burlington. So you can go and look at them.

Coolidge is known as cold and scroge-like.

Those letters are not cold.