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listening. Terms apply. This is John Batchel, a conversation with my colleague Bill Whalen

of the Hoover Institution about the 40th governor of California,

Gavin Newsom, who is entertaining the presidency, a run for the presidency in 28,

and his contest with Elon Musk, the man now associated with the Trump administration

and reforms in the federal government, also associated with

Tesla and SpaceX and other companies. He's founded in Pennsylvania and in California and moved on.

The question here is Gavin Newsom, is he ready to do what is necessary to win the whole country

and not just be a favorite of Californians.

Bill outlines that he is and that he's good at it and that he works at it.

Gavin Newsom for President Elon Musk for Mars matching together their personalities.

They're roughly in their 50s.

They're a good match.

Here's Bill Whalen. More of this

tonight. He's very good on TV. He was very good in that debate, I think, against DeSantis,

even though intellectually I think he lost that debate, but he is very good on that form in terms

of throwing a lot of stats at you and just not being cowardly. And that's part of his attraction right now. I think the Democrats right now and that he is the anti-Combollah Harris in that regard.

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