This is John Batcher, conversation with my good colleague Joseph Umar, Executive Director of

Skirfree Society.

He's traveling.

He's in the Sao Paulo Airport.

Just to return from a gathering the CPAC 2024 in Brazil hosted by Gyre Bolsonaro, the former

president welcoming the current president of Argentina the

rock star Javier Malay the hug between the two presidents the speeches the excitement

Joseph describes it all

a rock star in Brazil.

Given the rivalry between Argentina and Brazil

over the decades,

this makes you smile. Joseph U Meyer

on Javier Malay and Jar Bolson Arrow together in Brazil. More of this later

tonight. Much more. Oh man, now he is President Bolsonaro,

welcome at the Brazilians. I was impressed. I mean, you got to understand the kind of

cultural context. Brazil and Argentina aren't really the best friends, whether it's

on the soccer field or whether it's in politics, you know, they're in many ways trade competitors and

you know, they're both agro producers. So there's always a little bit of tension between Brazil and

Argentina on the cultural level that transcends in the politics, but not at

this event. I mean President Malay was received by the Brazilians like a

rock star. I mean he got a standing ovation. I mean people were waiting in

lines and crowding just to see him enter the hotel to see him, it was like being at a rock, like

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