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everything secure. This is John Batchel. Speaking with colleague Ernesto Arrugia, former foreign

minister of Republic of Brazil, about the true social posting by President Trump some days past,

identifying correctly to my measure, my learning, that the Lula de Silva

administration in Brazil is deliberately directing what is called lawfare against Bolsonaro,

the former president, and his family, because of election politics, disenfranchised Bolsonaro with allegations.

That is what the President of the United States repeats and tells Lula de Silva to stop it.

Ernesto goes farther than that, saying this is more about everybody in Brazil, not just the Bolsonaro family. Here's Ernesto to explain.

Brazil is vital to the success of the Western Hemisphere. All the politics here are necessary,

and at the same time there is a way forward. Ernesto will hint at it. Here's Ernesto.

Of this, people want him to run again.

But it goes much beyond the person of Bolsonaro.

It's people, again, feeling that there's a hope against a corrupt and pro-totelitarian

system in Brazil.

So anything can happen.

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