IDSG bonus episodes are a regular extra just for Patreon backers of myself or Daniel. Here's a

preview of the new one. The book goes out of its way to remind you of the Holocaust on several

occasions. It mentions that the POW camp where he's initially unloaded was originally built to

be an extermination camp. The British prisoners of war that they're originally billeted were

they're using candles and things like that that are made out of human fat. I don't know if that's

historically accurate. It was believed to be. It was believed to be at the time he wrote his

novel. It was believed to be and on that subject, the book actually mentions by name David Erby

as a historian of the bombing of Dresden and it repeats his numbers for the dead of Dresden

which leads the narrator to actually categorically state at one point. I think it's actually in

the first chapter so it's Vonnegut talking as himself that he witnessed the the biggest massacre

on European soil which he's getting from David Irving's figures about Dresden which we now know

to be at the time David Irving was considered a respectable historian and that book was considered

a serious piece of historiography. It was criticized and it was debated but it wasn't it's not like now

where we I mean this is a genuine sort of of its time thing for once. It's a genuine thing. At

the time there were criticisms but people did not know at the time that David Irving was actually

a Nazi and a falsifier of history and a Holocaust. The historiography is now revised on that subject

and David Irving is no longer taken seriously. So I don't think Vonnegut has anything to apologize

anything much to apologize for there except relying on data which has subsequently been

called into question but that does yeah I mean your point was about the the possible perception

of moral equivalents and I think it's a question of it's a question of levels isn't it because I

think what he what the book is trying to get at is the idea that sort of on a on an interpersonal

level on a normal human level people are pretty much helpless in the situations that they find

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