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Here's a preview of the new one. The book has a kind of a storied history through publication

because it started out as a sort of insert strip in a comic. And of course by comic what we're

talking about is an American underground comic. And it started as a sort of repaid strip in 1972.

Yeah, in the 70s, in an underground comic called Raw. And this was kind of in the,

I suppose it was kind of the aftermath of the heyday because the heyday of the underground

comic was was really sort of the late 60s, early 70s, you know, Robert Crumb and stuff like that.

And so this is still kind of the heyday, but it's the latter end of the heyday of the American

underground comic. And in Raw, I believe it was called, yeah, this insert comic strip called

Mouse by Spiegelman, which is actually quite different. It's quite similar in some ways and

quite different to the eventual comic. The art style is more detailed and that the Nazi cats are

much, much bigger than they end up in the in the finished product, etc. It's kind of like

his first go with it, you know. And then he, as I say, he sort of gives it another pass and you

end up with the material that ends up being what was published as mouse volume one, which is kind of like

the, it's basically the first half of the complete story. Right. And I think there's a distinct

difference if we're talking about the artistic merit. I think mouse one and mouse two have like

there's a there's a very, you can see the evolution of the artists through these two books. And I

almost think it's not worth like considering the books together almost, although I think we're

going to end up doing that. But like really looking at it critically, I think mouse one and mouse

two are very different texts, you know, but yeah. Well, this is one of the interesting things about

the book that we might end up talking about, which is the fact that the book kind of contains

ruminations on its own writing, because the the second volume is written after the publication

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