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You know, the whole thing of like, we're listening in to everybody's calls.

Well, we're not storing it, so we're not really the bad guys, but, you know, it's very clearly,

I mean, it's about like the dragnets that were being done on people's phone calls in the U.S.

And by that measure around the world, by the U.S. military intelligence apparatus,

you know, and about those whole debates, which ran for years.

And like, basically, everybody just shrugged their shoulders when Obama was elected.

It was just like, well, I guess this is just what we're doing now.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that's the thing.

So, Obama bequeathed the expanded programs to Trump.

Yeah, and went after whistleblowers in like a brand new way, you know, during his term,

you know, in various ways, yeah.

I mean, really used the, you know, some of the intelligence apparatus in ways that Bush

had ever did.

I mean, believe me, do not let me defend George W. Bush ever for anything on this podcast or anywhere else.

That man was a fucking monster, you know, one of the worst people of the 21st century.

Miles worse than Bush, but there were definitely ways in which Obama being the liberal reformer,

being the one that, you know, we liked, got to, got to do even more heinous shit just as under the

cloak of likeability.

Yeah, sure.

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