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This is John Bachelor.

Conversation with my good friend and colleague Henry Miller,

Dr Henry Miller, about avian flu making the transition from birds to mammals, in this case dairy cows, as well as bears and sea lions, all

detected and confirmed in North America, in America, dairy cows. I cited from April the CDC's numbers of

herds in nine states that Dr Miller says it's already much more than that.

Dairy cows, not as of yet beef cows, dairy cows.

What is the risk?

The CDC is recommending no raw milk products no drinking of raw milk. There's no

evidence that that would work but there is one fatality in Texas. The

the assumption is the man was direct contact with a cow. The cows get better if

they're isolated. Is there reporting? How widespread is it already, question mark? Is it going to get more damaging

in other mammals, question mark? Henry Miller speaks to what we know and what we don't know, which is much larger.

More of this later tonight.

Avian flu in Mammoth, like us, but not us yet?

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