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PREVIEW: An excerpt from the continuing two-hour conversation with Liza Mundy, author of THE SISTERHOOD, re the women of the CIA from OSS days to the Bin Laden compound in Pakistan. The women involved, including the nom de guerres Rachel and Mia, were ca

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 January 2024

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PREVIEW: An excerpt from the continuing two-hour conversation with Liza Mundy, author of THE SISTERHOOD, re the women of the CIA from OSS days to the Bin Laden compound in Pakistan. The women involved, including the nom de guerres Rachel and Mia, were called targeter; and they worked relentlessly backwards and forwards with signals intelligence to track the communications to Bin Laden's courier and from there to the target.

1914 KARACHI

The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023
by Liza Mundy (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Sisterhood-Secret-History-Women-CIA/dp/0593238176/ref=asc_df_0593238176&mcid=d8b024f8944a3cfb869a04c0b84ba964?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80608071597838&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207596928557&psc=1

Created in the aftermath of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency relied on women even as it attempted to channel their talents and keep them down. Women sent cables, made dead drops, and maintained the agency’s secrets. Despite discrimination—even because of it—women who started as clerks, secretaries, or unpaid spouses rose to become some of the CIA’s shrewdest operatives.

They were unlikely spies—and that’s exactly what made them perfect for the role. Because women were seen as unimportant, pioneering female intelligence officers moved unnoticed around Bonn, Geneva, and Moscow, stealing secrets from under the noses of their KGB adversaries. Back at headquarters, women built the CIA’s critical archives—first by hand, then by computer. And they noticed things that the men at the top didn’t see. As the CIA faced an identity crisis after the Cold War, it was a close-knit network of female analysts who spotted the rising threat of al-Qaeda—though their warnings were repeatedly brushed aside.

After the 9/11 attacks, more women joined the agency as a new job, targeter, came to prominence. They showed that data analysis would be crucial to the post-9/11 national security landscape—an effort that culminated spectacularly in the CIA’s successful effort to track down bin Laden in his Pakistani compound.

Propelled by the same meticulous reporting and vivid storytelling that infused Code Girls, The Sisterhood offers a riveting new perspective on history, revealing how women at the CIA ushered in the modern intelligence age, and how their silencing made the world more dangerous.

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0:00.0

This is John Bachelor. An excerpt from my conversation, a two-hour conversation with Liza

0:05.3

Mundi, or book The Sisterhood, The Women of the CIA, from the OSS days, The Second War,

0:11.6

until the Abat Abat incident and the bin Laden episode.

0:16.8

What we hear next is Liza explaining how it is the targeters found bin Laden's compound.

0:25.0

They have pseudonyms Rachel and Maya because they still need protection from revenge.

0:31.0

However, this is a very careful explication of how the

0:35.8

targeters, almost entirely women to my knowledge, work together

0:40.4

backwards and forwards with communication in order to find the courier that led to the

0:47.4

Abad compound.

0:49.2

Here's Liza Mundi.

0:51.2

They are targeters or sometimes they call themselves targeting analysts who have to do what I just said,

0:58.0

figure out who is communication with, who are the important people,

1:02.0

and how can we get ears and eyes on them.

1:07.0

How can we intercept this, the courier, but they also have to, they have to to it's just this incredible data sifting operation in

1:18.1

which they also have to go back to signals intercepts and detainee interviews that came in a decade earlier.

1:27.0

And they, when people were talked about in detainee interviews and at the time they didn't know who that person was or it was a code name or a non-degare and they even if they knew who the person was they didn't know if they were important.

1:40.0

So we have to go back to old data, old data using new technology or new understanding.

1:44.4

And this is true for us, you know, as reporters, you hear something at the beginning of your reporting,

1:49.3

you don't quite understand it, but then later on after many, many more interviews, you go back and said, oh, I know.

1:54.9

And so they had to be continually sifting through old information, but using new technology and

2:02.4

more intercepted conversations or cell phones to and you know and finally

2:08.6

they understand who the main courier is who is carrying bin Laden's messages, who is also his bodyguard, who is living in this

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