This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague General Blaine Hogan, United States Air Force, retired,

about the source of the drone waves that are now striking and damaging to Ukraine,

that they're not stopping adequately.

The hits are up in the last several months.

What is to be done?

The old method was to hit the factories, the producing the

drones. That would have been Operation Point Blank in 1944, take down the Luftwaffe before we hit

Normandy's beaches. Today, that would be take down the drones and the missile factories.

Is Ukraine doing that?

The general comments about what is to be done.

Here's General Blaine Holt on the air war between Russia and Ukraine right now.

It's a lesson that we learn over and over and over again.

Unfortunately, we don't hold on to our lessons.

We relearn them.

But it's, you know, these things always, you know, World War II, today, it always gets back to logistics.

And if I can destroy your supply chains, then you're going to be out of the war really quickly.

And if I know, and so this is going to affect Air Force targeting, space force targeting,

intelligence, all source intelligence about what I remember very clearly as a civilian

businessman after my military career, sitting in the Roussal smelters and the Roussal aluminum plant,

asking them questions about which coils go to the SU factories to build the jets.

And they looked at me and they knew my background and they said,

if you pull out a cell phone, you are going to be in such trouble, General.

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