Emily, do you remember when One Direction called it a day?

I think you'll find there are still many people who can't talk about it.

Well luckily, we can. A lot.

Because our new season of terribly famous is all about the first One Directioner to go it alone.

Zayn Malik.

We'll take you on Zayn's journey from Shylad from Bradford

to being in the world's biggest boy band and explore why.

When he reached the top, he decided to walk away.

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This is John Batchler. This is a preview of a longer conversation with Jonathan Schanzer

of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.

About the limits of counterterrorism, the limits of defending yourself

from terrorist acts such as Israel defending itself

from the bad actors of Gaza with fences with surveillance

with intelligence gathering, the limits.

From Jonathan going through exactly how to think about this

and that it's what he calls an imperfect science comes to the necessity

for a rethink of how Israel has handled Hamas these many decades,

including the possibility of the destruction of Hamas.

Here's Jonathan Schanzer, a preview of a much longer conversation.

They are difficult to stop. Look Israel has created some.

It's a sonar radar system that has detected I think the vast majority of the tunnels.

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