Gahy humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous idea for you.

That the main force in the rise of censoriousness and hysteria and finger pointing and arm waving and public shaming has been women.

Now, for a man to say such a thing would be terribly impolite and improper and perhaps even somewhat biased and sexist, but for a woman to say it is, well, what exactly?

It's certainly brave, as is today's guest, Megan Down.

Megan's been on the show before.

She is the host of the podcast, The Unspeakable.

She's a journalist.

She was an opinion columnist for the Los Angeles Times for over a decade until she gradually

became more and more of a dissident, felt more and more excluded by her female peer group

for questioning the progressive orthodoxies that

they held so dear. And she has now started a new initiative, an enterprise, for women who feel

somewhat intellectually homeless, who feel like their peers are too finger-waggy, dare I use even

the word, they're too much like a

Karen. They're hunting the internet, hunting their peer groups for evidence of misdeeds and

that the whole place has just become too conformist and too toxic. Megan is an interesting

thinker. She and I get into it a bit on a few issues here on which we disagree, specifically a toxic

issue that always makes everybody go crazy, that rhymes with blans, gender blights. I hope

you enjoy this conversation. Oh, I should also add, we recorded this like a day or two before

Megan lost her house in the Los Angeles fires. So if you like what you're

about to hear, it is not just a good deed for you to do to yourself selfishly to try to consume more

of Megan's stuff and to subscribe on her substack to the unspeakable. But also, you would be doing

her an enormous favour. She's going to have

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