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So we're back here with Abigail Schreier,

the author of the new book Bad Therapy.

And I wanted to ask you about something that I thought was really

interesting. You talked in your book about kind of the culture of trauma therapy and the trauma

industry and what I found really interesting is that there's some

conventional wisdom that I think is just seeped into the air that I hadn't even

noticed that everything is traumatizing that everyone has PTSD and then I read a book that you referenced by

George Bonano about how actually the most common response to potentially

traumatic events is resilience and we even talked a little bit about how sometimes

repression like not thinking about your problems is a perfectly viable strategy

to get somebody through a tough time. So what did you learn about

resilience as you were writing the book and I guess like what how could you kind of

translate that into like what parents or teachers or therapists should be thinking about.

Sure, so George Manano's work is wonderful.

He's an academic psychologist at Columbia and he showed that even in the people who had lost

loved ones in 9-11 and they sent teams of researchers

The they actually left alone without therapy the normal response was resilience they were you know there's an initial grief and sudden shock and

getting over it, a period of healing. And what I would just say is, you know, we're so

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