Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous idea for you.

Exactly how much culpability and responsibility and blame should senior, very professional, legacy media

journalists bear for the disintegration of trust in modern institutions in the

mainstream media, the rise of podcasterstan and substakistan and I suppose the erosion of truth.

I put that question to one of the most important, most influential, most experienced, most famous,

most respected

legacy media journalists in Australia, Chris Ullman.

His resume is sort of too long to just rattle off and list, but he basically worked for

decades as either the host or the chief political reporter on many of Australia's

most important current affairs and news shows.

The 730 report, ABC News. He helped to kick off ABC News Channel, a 24-hour news channel in Australia.

He was the chief political reporter for 9 News. He hosted the ABC's flagship current affairs radio show AM. He's now a contributor on Sky News.

He writes for the Australian, the nation's largest broadsheet newspaper. He is the guy you go to when you sort of want to hear from the voice of the traditional legacy press.

And he now has a substack and he has a lot of thoughts about the failings of the legacy media

in general, his failings in particular in the way that he conducted certain interviews.

We get into that, along with a lot of hot button issues like climate chaos, which he and I

disagree on. He's a lot more conservative than I am. Questions like Ukraine, China, Taiwan, energy independence, immigration. This is a

fascinating crossover, really, between one of the sort of titans of old media and me, perhaps,

one of the more upstarty, puckish nederwells of new media. I hope you enjoy as much as I did, the one, the only,

Chris Ullman.

I want to get to Zelensky. How much foreign affairs reporting had you done? Were you ever a formal

foreign affairs correspondent posted by any of the...

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