From the ACLU, this is at Liberty.

I'm Emerson Sykes, a staff attorney here at the ACLU and your host.

Women in the workplace continue to face barriers of all sorts. Gaining entry into male-dominated

fields remains a challenge, while jobs typically associated with women often lack the flexibility

afforded to their male counterparts. And some employers continue to force employees into

impossible decisions regarding their work and families. Today we're sharing the stories of two

of our clients who both work for Frontier Airlines, Shannon Kuturowski as a pilot and Melissa Hodgkins

as a flight attendant. Shannon and Melissa both suffered physical and emotional harm as a result of

Frontier's inhumane treatment of employees that are pregnant or nursing. A bit later, we'll also hear from Galen Sherwin, an ACLU staff attorney working on

women's rights who's filing federal lawsuits against Frontier Airlines on behalf of female

pilots and flight attendants.

Shannon and Melissa, thanks very much for joining us.

Welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having us, Emerson.

Thank you. Well, it's such a pleasure

to have you here. And I wonder if you can just start by telling us a bit about why you got into

the airline industry and how your job eventually came into conflict with your decision to become a parent.

And maybe we can start with you, Shannon. I know that only 6% of commercial pilots are actually women. So

tell us about how you decided to get into this field. I can't say that there was ever a 100%

conscious decision. It just was in my blood. I was a kid that loved airplanes, loved everything

aviation. And because my parents encouraged that love,

it just was what I was going to be when I grew up. And that was a pilot. So when I graduated

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