This is CBSI on the World. I'm John Bachelor.

Gregor Coppoli, editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs, is with me from

Perth, Australia, looking at the leaks, the dominant story in front of us. There is a

larger story than even the Ukraine more behind this, or the conflict between NATO and the

Russian Federation. That is energy and its markets for the 21st century.

And away right now are doubts. Those doubts are the credibility, the trustworthiness,

the prestige of the United States of America in these troubled days, which connects to

the confidence in the dollar as the world currency for oil markets.

Gregor, a very good evening again to you because your essay on prestige is persuasive, and

you, an edition, make the comment that you believe China and Russia, but China chiefly

is under, is, is keeping a campaign going to undermine the prestige of the United States.

How's it doing?

Gregor Coppoli, editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs, is doing very well.

This was always one of the key components of the, the PRC's policy of unrestricted warfare,

which had started in 1999, solidifying if you like, a new approach to total warfare,

which it has, has gradually evolved and continues to evolve, which is as much about fighting

its adversaries in every corner of society, not just militarily, and in, in fact, in particular,

to deliberately not fight militarily until you have won the battle in other areas, particularly

the economy and social viability and the like.

And it was clear, even when Xi Jinping in 2018, September 28, when he declared war on the

United States, and he said those words, we, we have declared war on the United States,

and this war will take at least 30 years.

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