Have you ever felt like escaping to your own desert island?

Jane Gaskin did exactly that, trading in the family home to begin a new life in the

tropics.

But she soon discovers that Paradise has its secrets.

I'm Alice Levine, and this is the price of Paradise,

the island dream that ends in kidnap, corruption, and murder. Wish you were here. Follow the price of Paradise Now, wherever

you listen to podcasts. This is a CVSI on the world. I'm John Bachelor with Gordon Chang at Gordon G.

My colleague and co-host and we welcome our colleague Matt Pottinger, former U.S. Deputy National Security

Advisor, as well as the Senior Director for Asia at the National Security Council.

Now he's at several think tanks, Hoover among them, FTD among them.

And writing most recently at Foreign Affairs with Congressman Mike Gallagher looking at China,

the People's Republic of China, the threat of the People's Republic of China,

asking this question in the headline,

America's competition with China must be won, not managed.

Matt, a very good evening to you, it's a pleasure to speak.

Please define for us at the national security level

what it means to manage a competition as opposed to contesting a competition.

Good evening to you.

John, it's great to be with you and with Gordon.

Look, the phrase managing competition is the phrase that the Biden administration has recently been

using to describe its policy towards China, with an emphasis on managing.

What Mike Gallagher and I argue in our piece is that we should be aiming to win the competition,

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