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This is CBSI on the World, Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and co-host,

I'm John Bachelors, Space Race, language from the 20th century from my youth. John Kennedy,

Lyndon Johnson, NASA, the 1960s, the Cold War, be there very dramatic. The winner is Apollo 11

on the surface of the moon. That was then. This is now. We welcome Brandon Wiker of the Wiker

Report, author of Winning Space, How America Remains a Superpower, and the new just released

book, The Shadow War, runs quest for supremacy. But we're keen on Brandon's learning of the

Chinese space program because of remarks made by two very important people in the US effort,

the state and NASA and White House effort for the space race. One by Bill Nelson, the

former Florida Senator who remarks there is a space race with China, and the other more

interesting to me, a space force of ten in general, Nina Armando. It's entirely possible

that they, referring to China, could catch up in surpasses absolutely. The progress they've

made has been stunning, stunningly fast. Brandon, a very good evening to you. The remarks

of Lieutenant General, what progress in particular, and is it significant that much of this looks

like copycat from the Russian program? Good evening to you.

Well, good evening, John, and thanks again for having me happy near your Gordon and John.

You're right to say this looks like it's a replication of the Russian program, but

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