This is CBS. I am the world. I'm John Bachelor with my colleague and friend Gordon

Chang at Gordon G Chang and very pleased to be welcoming Rebecca Grant, Vice President of the

Lexington Institute. We turn to the debate most recently. I note the record for

former President Trump is consistent.

In 2016, facing former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,

former Senator Hillary Clinton, he lost all three debates. In 2020, one debate with

former Vice President Joe Biden. He lost the debate in 2024 facing again President Biden I will say he didn't win it looks like a

forfeit to me and in 2024 according to headlines Mr. Trump lost the debate

Rebecca former president Trump's not a good debater is that a surprise good evening to you

Good evening to you. Good evening.

Oh, former President Trump is at his best when he's talking one-on-one with reporters.

He's really good at a live press conference.

But these debates, I don't know.

I would certainly say that Vice President Harris put

some points on the board of course the main thing

last night was that America wanted to see who Vice President Harris really is and we

saw that she looked good shiny hair kept her cool and composure but certainly if you

were listening for the policy there were some definite points that worried me

both on the economy and on her lack of comfort around foreign policy issues.

Gordon, have a question for Rebecca.

Rebecca, there are a number of indications that the Vice President really is not interested in foreign policy.

There's a Seymour Hersh reporting that she actually ordered the Office of Director of National

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