This is a series, I am the world. I'm John Bachelor with my colleague and co-host Gordon Chang,

and we're joined very happily by Stephen Yates, chair of the America First Policy

Institute's China Policy Initiative to help us understand the contest in America

right now, the vital presidential contest in Congress with regard to the

threat to our friends and allies in Taiwan by the People's Republic of China. Ms Harris, the Vice President, is now the candidate for the Democratic Party almost, presumed.

Steve, a very good day to you.

I have many quotes thanks to the voice of America from Miss

Harris in the past and one in particular I need help with we as the United

States said the vice president in September 2023. In our policy it is not about

decoupling it is about de-risking it is about

understanding. Interpret that for me.

That's Washington talk.

What does it mean, Steve?

A good day to you.

Well, John, I see that basically as a declaration of what is mainstream or establishment foreign policy for

dealing with China. It is what has been tried for many many

administrations and during the Biden administration they've shifted a little bit in areas of trade perhaps

maintaining continuity with Trump administration policies in part but when it comes to some tough issues, whether it is fentanyl or the

encroachments and aggressions in East Asia, they seem to fall back on this preferred approach of dialogue and believing

that some kind of cooperation and interaction with China will lead to narrowing of differences and maybe a resolution of problems.

And so I take that statement as basically no new thought on new circumstances, whether it's sheing ping being a different kind of

leader or the fundamental circumstances we face in America as having changed from 30 or more years ago.

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