I'm John Batch with Gordon Chang, my colleague and friend, co-host as well.

And we're looking at the people's Republic of China and its involvement in American

and European successes over these last decades.

I'm talking about our industrial successes, the invention, the inventiveness, the entrepreneurs.

China admired and bought and bought and bought.

And now we welcome Brandon Wiker, author of the just-release biohacked China's Race

to Control Life.

It's a subset of the story that I'm telling.

Brandon, when do the those who have eyes see?

That's the question I ask myself now that I see that Xi Jinping's China is a hostile

force to our allies in East Asia and to the United States.

Steel and steel and steel.

However, this is not a story of the Biden administration.

This is a story of presidents and storage HW Bush not seeing China for what it is, a predator

state that did not mean to coexist but meant to conquer.

Your measure of how America has responded over these many years.

Is it generosity?

Is it naivete?

Is it greed?

Is it all of the above?

Is there someone to blame for letting it into the WTO, for permitting it to steal our

secrets and say it was just growing up to make threats to our ally Taiwan or our ally

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