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PRC: INFORMATION WARFARE: Stephen Yates, senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, @GORDONGCHANG, GATESTONE, NEWSWEEK, THE HILL

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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PRC: INFORMATION WARFARE: Stephen Yates, senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, @GORDONGCHANG, GATESTONE, NEWSWEEK, THE HILL

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgwzmj9v34o
 1955 KIM IN MOSCOW

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.5

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.6

My co-host and friend Gordon Chang is here,

0:14.9

and we're very pleased to welcome our colleague,

0:17.6

Steve Yates, of the Heritage Foundation,

0:19.4

to comment on an odd story.

0:22.3

This is the BBC reporting that Chinese state media is following the Trump administration's

0:29.5

doge, I suppose, but in any event plowing into questions of programming as if Chinese state media is MSNBC. It's very odd. So I need

0:41.6

Steve to explain this. Steve, we've got the BBC, we've got Chinese state media, we've got the

0:47.8

voice of America, we have the Trump administration and Doge. Does China ordinarily report on this kind of detail? Because it sounds a whole

0:57.7

lot like, oh, a slow day at MSNBC. Good evening to you. Good evening, John. It does, in fact,

1:05.7

have echoes of that. But my strong suspicion is this is what the Chinese Communist Party would like to do in

1:13.3

trying to propagate and highlight divisions within the United States, try to play up perceptions

1:20.8

of chaos and disagreement. And so I think that basically this is part of a pretty standard information warfare

1:29.6

propaganda campaign that they would engage in. I doubt very much that they would like the Chinese

1:34.4

people to have anything remotely like Doge look into where the finances are going from the

1:40.8

Communist Party, more importantly, where the finances are going into the Communist Party and away from the people.

1:48.1

A detail, Steve.

1:49.2

Does the Chinese listener know what the voice of America is or know what Doge is?

1:56.5

Are they kept up to date here because this just happened in America?

2:01.5

Yeah, I doubt very much that they have tracked the comings and goings of Voice of America,

2:08.6

furloughs, and the budget argument.

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