This is

the CBS, I on the world. I'm John Bachelor.

Gordon Chang, I'm G. Chang is with me.

And we're very pleased to welcome Brendan Weicher, author of Winning Space,

How America remains a superpower.

Brendan, you're extremely well informed about the space community today which consists of in America lots of commercial space operations

building boosters and winning contracts for launches into low-Earth orbit.

Around the world, their spaceboards being built routinely now.

In all manner of countries, lots of investment.

So, not too surprising, it comes round to the Chinese state and I learned there's something called

Beijing Rocket Street Project that's in quotes in something called the e town of the capital of the state

Beijing what is etown and what is Beijing rocket street good evening to you

Brandon well good evening, John, and hello, Gordon.

Thanks for having me again.

Basically, it's what we might call an innovation cluster,

or you could more derisively refer to it as an imitation cluster.

Wuhan has that for biotech.

Shenzhen has a lot of telecommunications innovation or imitation clusters depending on how you

look at it and so this is no different except this is now being done for

space and the reason this is happening is because since 2015 there has been an

explosion, if you'll pardon the pun, in Earth to space launch capabilities in the private sector.

And you noted the American side,

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