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building software for the people I in the world. I'm John Bachelor with my friend and colleague Gordon Chang at Gordon

Chiang and we're very pleased to welcome Charles Burton of the McDonald-Lorry Institute who will be in

Washington DC tomorrow at the Hudson Institute with Miles Yu of the Hudson Institute speaking on Canada and China relationships now on the eve of the Apex Summit where we're told

the President of the United States will sit down with she jinping and discuss the friction between the states.

Charles, a very good evening to you. Thank you very much.

Your anticipation of this meeting in San Francisco on the sidelines, bilateral conversation.

Some of it is involved with the two wars in Eurasia, but some of it also could apply to the difficulty we've had these last years dealing

with China because of its malign activities in North America.

What do you anticipate this meeting can accomplish?

Good evening to you, Charles.

Good evening. Well, I'm not optimistic it will accomplish anything positive.

Looking at the Chinese official media propaganda about the visit, it appears that China will offer to give the US what the. is asking for with regard to fentanyl and climate change, but obviously

China will attempt to extract a price for that.

And that's really about, you know, can the US ease down on the on the sanctions against the transfer of the dual use technologies, computer chips, will they take off the restrictions on semiconductors,

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