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Don't just book a ski lesson this winter. Taylor and experience. This is CBS I on the world with John Bachelor.

Here's John Bachelor.

Gordon Chang, I have Gordon G Chang, my colleague and co-host and friend.

We turn to the topic of the People's Republic of China's predation,

not only in East Asia, but around the world through the internet.

And the question here is, what and why and what is to be done?

We welcome Retired Air Force General Blaine Holt, who was once a

deputy military representative to NATO and is now going to help us understand this

hacking so-called by the Chinese throughout the US everywhere

civilian military at the same time it has names it's well known by Homeland Security it's called

Volt Typhoon. General a very good evening to you what is Volt Typhoon what is the

scale of it what do we know good evening. Good. It's a pleasure to be with both of you.

Well, Typhoon is a group and an activity from the People's Liberation Army in the People's Republic of China and it is dedicated to cyber

operations, cyber events, the most recent of which is what we just saw with what I would call or

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