Hello there, and welcome to the Thinking Fellows podcast.

My name is Caleb, and today I have the honor of being joined by Jim Nesikin and John Pless.

Listeners may recognize these names from books that we have recommended countless times on

the show.

And both of you joined us last year as well when we traveled to Norway for the Lutheran

Study Days Conference.

And it just so happens that's where we're all sitting today, too.

So welcome to the show.

Thanks.

Great. Good to be with you.

You guys are both great teachers of the church that people probably who listen to the show have maybe met. You both speak very extensively across the country and the globe. Like I said, we're here

in Norway right now at a really fantastic conference put on by the

Delk Church in Bergen, which has been an annual thing where they're really fighting against pietism

and preaching Christ crucified here in Norway, and it's a fantastic thing to be a part of.

And so we kind of been able to meet up now for two years in a row.

And I thought we would do another fun show in Norway.

Fun.

Great.

It's truly good to be here with you again, Caleb.

Glad to see you again, Caleb.

So I thought, I think last year we did a similar topic.

We talked about the catechism a little bit,

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