This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Bachelor. I welcome Thaddeus

McCott, a recovering politician, columnist at American Greatness, writing about the uniqueness

of the 2024 election in presidential history.

That is a very good evening to you.

I read in your new column that it is significant to say that we've got one candidate

running for a non- serial presidency.

When has that happened before and what does it mean for the election, for the results,

for the way people judge their candidate.

Good evening to you.

Good evening to you, John.

Well, we've seen it in the past,

and we've seen individuals like Miller, Philmoremore who's tried and many of them have had to try on different parties because their own party would not re-nominate them. But when you look at what we're seeing, the clear example, I think that the Donald Trump's supporters are looking at his Grover, Cleveland, former mayor of Buffalo.

He was elected with the popular vote and the Electoral College when he first ran.

He lost despite winning the popular vote to Harrison. And then when you looked at it again he ran for a third chance he

was nominated a third time by his party he again won the popular vote and this time he was reelected so he remains the only

president that was elected to two non-consecutive terms. What Mr. Trump is trying to do is trying to become the second

president to do that. Is there any significance to running for the second time and

winning? For example he defeated Blaine in 84. He lost

to Harrison in 88. He defeated Harrison in 92. Is there anything in that that's

precedent or it can illustrate where we are that is?

Well, I think that the key thing in looking at Grover Cleveland is the fact that he had won the popular vote three times.

Mr. Trump having run twice once as a challenger and then as an incumbent as yet to win the popular vote.

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