I'm John Bachelor with my colleague Professor Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institution, a senior fellow writing most recently defining ideas about the word freedom that was much used in rhetoric and in presentation and in signage. in America is seen as a fertile ground for freedom in all directions but what kind of

freedom or how to interpret that word Richard it seemed at this point it was liberating.

Although I do puzzle about freedom for what, and then there was some attempt to define it.

Freedom for, and then a list of rights that I don't read in

the in the bill of rights from the 18th century. So your understanding of why

freedom was chosen is it because it's neutral is it because we can impose anything on it we won or is there something behind this that will result in legislation presuming Ms Harris is successful?

Well, I mean, let's just do the political rhetoric.

The Republicans have a thousand organizations

which are called either Freedom and Liberty.

I work with an organization, a wonderful organization called the Liberty

Justice Fund, and there are many other groups like that. And what happens is the progressives

would like to be able to get some punch out of the word.

So what they do is they use the word freedom

and then what they then add to it

is a list of freedoms that they support

and nobody else may support in the same way.

And so if you go to the traditional definitions

of freedom, they were generally associated

with the particular items that were in the Bill of Rights.

Freedom of conscience, freedom of religion,

freedom of contract, maybe protection of private. of you from the imposition of the government.

And now what happens is we're doing a bunch of other things

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