Hello and welcome to the Thinking Fellows podcast. My name is Scott Keith, and I am still in New Jersey,

sitting in the church basement speaking with Bruce Hillman. This is our quiet place we found to do the

podcast. This episode, we wanted to talk a little bit about postmodern philosophy. I would say

in an interesting way, not necessarily postmodernism more broadly, but really the thought and the philosophy, maybe even the epistemological framework

to this thing that we've sort of called postmodernism, which you'll find out listeners as we

go through this is a little difficult even to explain, right, what it is.

But for our normal listeners, Adam Francisco, still in California,

Rod Rosenblatt still in California, Caleb's still in California, and I'm here in New Jersey

on this second special episode. I think you're going to enjoy it, so sit back and enjoy the show.

Bruce, welcome. It's very nice to be here again. Good to be here one more

time. I get to do too. It's great. Who knew there's somebody out there who both loved and knows a lot

about Augustine and is a postmodern philosopher kind of guy. I do appreciate postmodernism as

much as it also frustrates me. Yeah, it's a frustrating thing. All right, so I thought

that maybe a good place to start this show would just be to define some terms, right?

And maybe as hard as it is to do, I'm going to ask you to actually define what postmodern means.

Sure. I will define it, but I have to give the caveat that every what postmodern means. Sure.

I will define it, but I have to give the caveat that every single postmodern book you ever read

will give, which is that it's ultimately undefinable, which is part of its nature, which

makes it frustrating.

But the most accepted definition is that postmodernism does not trust any one story or account to give meaning

to all of life.

Two examples of what postmodernism would reject would be Christianity, because Christianity

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