Welcome to a special episode of a 48 hours postmortem.

I'm your host, Anne Marie Green.

And today we are taking you behind the scenes of a new true crime series from our colleagues at the free press.

It's called Spiral, Murder in Detroit, and it tells the story of the life and death of Samantha Wall.

Wall was the 40-year-old president of a synagogue in downtown Detroit and a well-known community leader and activist.

She was found stabbed eight times just outside of her home on October 21st, 2023.

So who would want to kill this beloved figure?

The twists and turns this case takes will definitely surprise you.

So we shared a special preview of episode one in the 48 hours podcast feed.

So you're going to want to go listen to that first if you have not already.

All right, let's get started.

I am joined today by the host of Spiral, Frannie Block.

And I just want to let everyone know, a special note here, that the free press, like CBS News, is owned by Paramount Skydance.

Frannie, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's a really good podcast and it's a very layered podcast.

You know, you think you're sort of going to listen to a straightforward

crime podcast. There's so much more to discuss. So first off, who is Samantha Wall? And why did

you want to do this story? So Samantha Wall is an extremely special person. And I didn't actually

know Samantha, but I first heard her name on the day that she died.

And by the way, I'm going to use Samantha and Sam interchangeably. Many people called her Samantha,

but a lot of her close friends and family also called her Sam. She was the president of the downtown

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