Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I have Sarah McDougal on today's episode. She is incredible and I am so grateful that she took the time to come on the podcast today. She is an author and international speaker and abuse recovery coach for women in the faith community who are healing from abusive relationships.

Her passion is to lead women out of the wilderness and into a wild abundant life with Jesus.

Welcome, Sarah.

Thank you and it is delightful.

I've loved just chatting with you, getting to know you a little bit and I'm really excited about today. We're going to have fun. As much fun as you can have on this kind of topic.

Whoo-woo! Yeah, no kidding. I tell this to my new girls all the time. They say that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and gives

you a really dark and twisted sense of humor. So when I say that we're going to have fun talking

about the stuff we're going to have fun I'm talking about today.

Yeah, that's probably my dark and twisted sense of humor coming out.

I say to people, what doesn't kill you puts you in a coma and then after you come out of the coma, then you'll be stronger but you know you've got the coma phase for a while

I'm gonna give you Sarah's links so that you can find her online and then I'll

repeat them at the end of this episode. It's Sarah,

S-A-R-A-H- McDougal, M-C-D-U-G-A-L, Sarah McDougal. You can find her on Facebook at Sarah McDougal author on YouTube at Sarah McDougal and on

Instagram at Sarah McDougal. So follow her on social media, she's amazing. I'm so grateful to have her here. So let's start out.

You and I agree that pornography is a form of sexual abuse.

Can you tell me about how you came to that conclusion and why you think it's sexual abuse?

Oh, you know, let's just start with the easy questions, why don't we?

I think that there are multiple reasons why pornography is considered a form of sexual abuse, at least in my perspective.

Certainly when I work with taking abuse victims through the power and control wheels,

there is both viewing pornography and forcing or requiring someone else to view

pornography included under sexual abuse. So in the discussion about pornography being a form of abuse, I see three specific

reasons why. And I'm going to kind of start from the outside and work in.

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