The culture war is white progressives versus white conservatives.

Nobody else really has a say.

And so they use other people as chess pieces within their battle between one another.

You think they're on your side until they tell you, hey, you can't say that.

If you're on the right, you can't say anything about American history not being what I have created it to be,

my romanticized version

of it on the left. It's like, yeah, just talk about race because guess what? That's what we need

to fight against those guys on the other side.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology and Rob. I guess it is Justin E. Gibney, who has a jurist doctorate from Vanderbilt University.

He is the co-founder, president of the And campaign.

A Christian civic organization focused on raising civic literacy, promoting civic pluralism,

and equipping Christians to engage politics with the love and truth of Jesus Christ,

which I love everything about that. Justin is like my go-to person when I want to have a healthy

balanced Christian perspective on our political moment. And that's what we do in this conversation.

Justin is an ordained minister and attorney, a political strategist, has been featured in publications such as the New York Times and Christianity Today.

He's a co-author of the book, Compassion and Conviction, and the author of the recently released, I have it right here in my hands.

Don't let nobody turn you around how the Black Church's public witness leads us out of the culture war published by

Inner Varsity Press. Oh my word. Justin is the man. I would give anything to have his voice because

there's no better podcast voice than Justin Gibney. Always intelligent, always loving and balanced,

wise and compassionate. I think you can enjoy this wide-ranging conversation.

Also, Justin will be at the Exiles of Babylon Conference, April 30th of May 2nd in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

He's going to be doing a breakout. Cannot wait for this conference. We're talking about artificial

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