Welcome back to Politics by Faith. This is part two of our special we did on the TV about the importance of beauty.

We talked with Justin Shubo, who is from the National Civic Arts Society, a wonderful organization.

We start off here, that was in our last episode. We start off here with the great Andrew Claven does a beautiful job.

So wonderful lines here that I can't wait to go back and listen to again.

And then I wrap up with Little Isaiah 118 and again why I think this is such an important

and biblically true concept as well.

That God is a god of order and we've been living in a time of chaos.

So it's time we get back to order and beauty once again.

Welcome back. time we get back to order and beauty once again welcome back politics by faith the american renaissance an honor to talk to spencer claven's dad we love spencer but listen when spencer's on

we say andrew claven's son So I don't know what's more

impressive or more important, but Andrew Clavin is here, author of the new book, The Kingdom of

Kane, Finding God in the Literature of Darkness. Mr. Clavon, how are you, sir? I'm good. How

you doing? Really good to talk to him. So we're talking about beauty today. Why does it matter?

Why should beauty be a part of the conservative movement and the American Renaissance?

You know, I can't tell you how often I'm asked this question, especially because I write fiction and people will say, you know, conservatives specifically will say, why should I read a novel? It's not true. And it's like asking the question,

why should you take a walk? Why should you fall in love? Why should you smell a flower? It's like,

that is what life is about. I mean, politics is there to make those things possible. Your life

is not supposed to be about politics. It's not supposed to be about even your work. It's

supposed to be about the experience of. It's supposed to be about the

experience of living. And that experience is enhanced. Not only is it enhanced by beauty, but beauty

is the center of that experience. I mean, I think it is what we're all looking for, what we

search for, what we turn to God for, as well as to other people. And so the question kind of

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