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David Dozenberry is back after discussing with us last year his book, The Innocence of Panschus

Pilot.

He is now senior fellow at the Danube Institute in Budapest, and his new book is, I Judge No One, a Political Life of Jesus.

Welcome, David. Welcome back.

Thanks so much.

Let's start with a certain political interpretation of Jesus from long ago that you bring up.

Who was Herman, Samuel, and I, am I pronouncing his last name,

Ramos? Rymoros, yeah. Rymoros. And what was his contention about Jesus?

Well, this is an excellent place to start. So Rymaros is a fascinating character. There's no disputing the fact that he was a very serious scholar of ancient Israelite history and kind of oriental studies. So he made significant contributions, extremely knowledgeable guy. And in the 1760s, he started to keep some

secret notebooks. And one of the notebooks he kept was on the goal of Jesus and his disciples.

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