Welcome back to the Ten Blocks podcast. This is Brian Anderson, the editor of City Journal.

Joining me on today's show is Dorothy Moses Schultz. She's an adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute, where she works on the policing and public safety initiative.

Dr. Schultz is a professor emerita at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, where she taught courses

in criminal justice and policing for more than two decades. She's also a retired captain

with the Metro North Commuter Railroad Police Department, and she's the author of

breaking the brass ceiling, women police chiefs and their paths to the top, book that came out in

2004, and from social worker to crime fighter, women in United States municipal policing.

She's been writing for City Journal with her latest piece in the forthcoming spring issue

dealing with the subject of residency requirements for police officers.

Dorothy, thanks very much for joining us on 10 blocks.

My pleasure. Thank you, Brian.

So let's start with that article, which is in our forthcoming issue.

Don't require residency for city cops, it's called, and that's, you know, basically sums up the

conclusion of your argument. Would you elaborate a bit on that? You know, what lies behind the push

to make police officers live in the neighborhoods they patrol? And, you know, why is that a mistake

for policymakers, in your view, to mandate?

I think why that you've asked is really the key question. Nobody seems to, who's pushing for this now, seems to be quite honest about it. We get these comments that police, police better if they police where they live, but nobody really

knows that to be true. So we don't really know. Is this an economic goal to try and get people

to spend their money where they make their money, or more likely, is it

some sort of a code to achieve greater racial diversity in large cities? But we really don't know.

And as I point out in the article, if the goal is to achieve racial diversity, we might be

better off coming out and saying that and trying to do something about that because, for

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