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#Poland: #NATO: #Denmark: Judy Dempsey, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Editor-in-Chief: Strategic Europe, in Berlin

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🗓️ 21 June 2023

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#Poland: #NATO: #Denmark: Judy Dempsey, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Editor-in-Chief: Strategic Europe, in Berlin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/poland-says-nie-to-another-nordic-nato-chief-splitting-alliance-f5832e4d


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0:00.0

This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bats with Judy Dempsey, the editor-in-chief of Strategic

0:10.5

Europe. She's in Berlin. And last, we had a conversation about Poland and its challenge

0:18.1

to the EU's understanding of transparency and democracy and equal before the law, because

0:26.2

the law and justice party in Poland is to be blunt, extremely assertive, and not especially

0:33.8

neat, and it's tying up how it uses the courts. Right now, there's something called the Russian

0:40.1

Influence Commission, which operates pretty much like a star chamber, as I understand it,

0:45.0

though my Polish doesn't permit me to understand the nuance of the headlines. We come now to

0:50.8

Poland asserting its primacy in NATO. Remember Poland is the route into Ukraine. All the weapon

0:58.7

system is flowing there now in the act of combat. In addition, Poland has absorbed unknown

1:05.3

millions of Ukrainians fleeing the war and continues to host them. So this headline now becomes

1:13.8

needed, we need to interpret this. Walter Turner, Poland says no to another Nordic NATO

1:20.7

chief, splitting alliance. Subhead Warsaw said to oppose frontrunner Danish Prime Minister

1:27.1

and to favor Estonian leader. The Danish Prime Minister is Mata Friedrichsen and the frontrunner

1:35.1

for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's change of Secretary General. Young Stoltenberg

1:40.1

said to be stepping down, and therefore, Judy, thank you very much for this. Now I'm lost

1:46.6

in the intricacies of the EU. Why would Poland Warsaw object to a new Secretary General

1:54.1

at NATO from Denmark? Does this fall naturally into an unknown category, or is there a back

2:02.0

story to this? Thank you. This is a story about Poland wanting to push its candidate to replace

2:09.9

the other Stoltenberg as NATO Secretary General. And actually, I'm surprised that the Polish

2:16.9

government is so hostile or opposed to the Danish candidate. Denmark has a tradition of

2:25.6

understanding Russia, being very tough in Russia. They are an extraordinary strategic

2:31.1

pair of such a small country. Their scope and breadth of what they do militarily is very impressive.

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