This is Ryan Evans here with another edition of the Warner Rocks Podcasts, this is special.

The reason this one is special is because we're going to be talking about our School House

series, which a lot of you have read it deals with a lot of issues

at the intersection between scholarship and policy the relevance of scholarship to policy

whether or not the academy is preparing people for the policy world.

And so we have three guests here.

We have Frank Gavin from MIT.

We have Aaron Simpson at the CEO of Kares.

And we have Stephen Tankhell of AU who just recently came out of a year in the Department of Defense.

And we're going to be talking about this.

And the impetus from this series actually came from Frank. We were at a conference in London, I think it was last October-ish.

And you know, what was the sort of rationale, Frank?

Well, first, Ryan, thanks for putting this together.

This is really terrific.

The idea was we were at this conference

and there were people who were political scientists, people historians, people from the policy world,

people from the UK, people from the US, discussing issues of grand strategy. And as we were talking about the kind of ideas that would be generated,

it kind of highlighted for me the fact that there wasn't a natural outlet for this kind of work.

Many of the people who were discussing these issues of grand strategy who had experiences

both in the academy and in policy, had careers that a lot of young people might

have difficulty emulating at this point and that there was what I've come to call a series of market failures where people who were interested in contributing both to the world of ideas and the world of

action who wanted to be serious scholars but also wanted to interact with the world

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