Here we are for another episode of the Warren Rocks podcast series. Today we're here with

T.M. Gibbons-Nef, staff writer at the Washington Post, and Dr. Bruce Gunnison,

Marine Corps University, and we're actually going to be talking about infantry combat

especially at the tactical level from World War I all the way up to the present day and

what sort of spurred this conversation this topic is TM just recently got back from Ukraine and he went all the way in

eastern Ukraine to the front to a company position, is it called 0.18?

Is that right?

Yep.

And observed company level operations and what was going on there

and wrote a really fascinating article about it for the post.

T.M. himself is a Marine Corps veteran who saw combat in Helman Province in Afghanistan as an enlisted infantryman.

And Bruce is a historian at the Marine Corps University who's written about everything from infantry combat to artillery to.

We were actually just talking about Bruce's career over at Quantico before we got started here and it's actually pretty interesting stuff.

He's done a lot of great research.

So this should be a great, a great podcast.

So Tim, why don't you start by telling us what was the impetus for this article?

What was it like getting out to the front in

eastern Ukraine and what did you see there?

Yeah sure so I was pointed in direction I saw a really a link on Twitter actually about the

Ukrainians opening up an embed program with their with their military and I

basically just sent an email and got one back and it kind of turned into an exchange and pitched the story and I wanted to go out there and kind of I had an idea of what it looked like from just open source stuff on Twitter and some stuff

coming out of Ukraine, but the more I read about it, the more of a feeling I got that something

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